Customer pain is your business case

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Carolyne Gathuru has built a career out of cutting through CX noise.
As a strategist, consultant, and coach, she helps organizations—from Kenyan government agencies to global corporations—get clear on what customer-centricity really means. Her approach? Start with truth. Then get to work.
Don’t start with training. Start with thinking.
Carolyne’s first lesson for CX leaders: most problems pitched as “training needs” aren’t about training at all. Companies come to her looking for quick fixes—better CSAT, smoother service, happier customers—but underneath those surface symptoms are misaligned strategies, neglected employees, and leadership teams that haven’t asked the hard questions.
So she slows things down. Interviews every level of the org. Asks for the why behind the urgency. What emerges is a roadmap based on context—not assumptions.
quoteTraining is not a silver bullet. Sometimes it’s a maladaptive coping mechanism for not doing the real work.
Want people to care about customers? Show them how they matter.
Carolyne doesn’t teach scripts. She teaches transposition: putting yourself in the customer’s shoes, mindset, mood. For her, real CX transformation happens when employees understand how their role contributes to a bigger mission—whether that’s feeding a community or supporting sustainable development goals through pineapple farming.
That emotional clarity creates genuine service. “People can’t deliver delight,” she says, “if they’ve never experienced delight themselves.”
Intelligent CX without soul is just expensive noise.
Carolyne’s team is running a national survey on AI and Intelligent CX in Kenya. The results? Businesses want in—fast. But they’re still caught between automation and emotion, efficiency and empathy. Customers want speed, sure—but what they really want is to be heard.
She argues the real opportunity in Intelligent CX is creativity: making voice-of-customer efforts more human, more immediate, and more embedded into everyday interactions. Not a quarterly survey, but a two-second question at the end of a call. Not a dashboard, but a habit.
Journey mapping is just the start. It’s what you do with it that counts.
Too many companies create journey maps, print them out, and never look at them again. Carolyne’s work emphasizes journey management—active monitoring of touchpoints to spot revenue leaks, identify key pain points, and connect every moment back to the bottom line.
Whether it’s customer retention, brand reputation, or ESG alignment, she brings the CX conversation to where decisions actually get made: finance, strategy, and governance.
And she makes the case with data and humanity. A bad exit experience isn’t just a drop in NPS. It’s lost trust, lost advocacy, and a black mark on your brand that compounds.
Simplicity is strategy.
One of Carolyne’s core reframes: if your CX plan sounds like a monster, no one will adopt it. So she starts small. A code of conduct with ten behaviors. One behavior per month. Respect. Response time. Listening. Action.
She applies the same principle to proving ROI. If it’s not measurable in money, measure it in brand advocacy, employee loyalty, stakeholder trust. Then build up the financial case from there.
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